My bud Hawk and i went down to Bloomington yesterday to the sports show and had a great time. We sat through several shows on different kinds of fishing. Our favorite was the catfishing one with Ken Freeman, really interesting to listen to. We talked to him for a bit just before we left and he is really a nice person. He only used Dianchi, or however you spell it, size 13 cirlcle hooks for cats. They are aircraft aluminum and red in color. He also had some size 7 which weren't much smaller than the 13's are. He also had a pair of nylon vise grips made for grabbing the lip of cats which I really liked the look of. once you have the lip in it it locks just like regular vise grips and won't accidentally open up while your trying to get your hook out. There were a lot of other things to check out also, it was a really great time spent with Hawk.